Our Fathers Never Knew

Wednesday, October 01, 2008, 8:26 a.m. – I woke out of a dream. My DIL Faith is the primary person in this dream. She usually symbolizes “faith,” either good faith or apostate faith, because of her name. Lately she has also symbolized Sarah Palin.

THE DREAM: Faith decided to join some kind of traveling ministry group that my daughter was also a part of. And, she did this without consulting us or her parents. She was to sing and to play her flute (She does play the flute in real life).

We went to one of their meetings/concerts. A man on stage was introducing Faith. He rattled off several things about her. Then, from the audience, I raised 4 fingers. He asked, “What?” I said “She also has four kids and one is a one year old.”

Then he talked about how tough that must be to be on the road with four kids and how the grandparents must really miss their grandchildren. I looked at the faces of the other grandparents and every one of them had a sad face. I was sad, too, and I nearly broke into tears.

The thing was that we had really no heads-up about this. She just made her decision and left. I did talk with her about it later. She said I could come and see the kids for one hour one day. I said I didn’t want to drive that far (maybe 3 hours) just to see them for one hour, so we talked about how I could see them during the summer.

She was making some money now so that she and John could pay some bills. I did feel very cut off from my grandchildren, and it hurt. END

After I recorded this dream, the Lord put this song into my head:

Holy Is The Lord / Chris Tomlin

We stand and lift up our hands
For the joy of the Lord is our strength
We bow down and worship Him now
How great, how awesome is He

And together we sing
Everyone sing

Holy is the Lord God Almighty
The earth is filled with His glory
Holy is the Lord God Almighty
The earth is filled with His glory
The earth is filled with His glory

It's rising up all around
It's the anthem of the Lord's renown
It's rising up all around
It's the anthem of the Lord's renown

Speak, Lord, for your servant is listening. I read Jeremiah 44: Disaster Because of Idolatry

This word came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews living in Lower Egypt—in Migdol, Tahpanhes and Memphis —and in Upper Egypt : 2 "This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You saw the great disaster I brought on Jerusalem and on all the towns of Judah. Today they lie deserted and in ruins 3 because of the evil they have done. They provoked me to anger by burning incense and by worshiping other gods that neither they nor you nor your fathers ever knew. 4 Again and again I sent my servants the prophets, who said, 'Do not do this detestable thing that I hate!' 5 But they did not listen or pay attention; they did not turn from their wickedness or stop burning incense to other gods. 6 Therefore, my fierce anger was poured out; it raged against the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem and made them the desolate ruins they are today.

7 "Now this is what the LORD God Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Why bring such great disaster on yourselves by cutting off from Judah the men and women, the children and infants, and so leave yourselves without a remnant? 8 Why provoke me to anger with what your hands have made, burning incense to other gods in Egypt, where you have come to live? You will destroy yourselves and make yourselves an object of cursing and reproach among all the nations on earth. 9 Have you forgotten the wickedness committed by your fathers and by the kings and queens of Judah and the wickedness committed by you and your wives in the land of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem? 10 To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence, nor have they followed my law and the decrees I set before you and your fathers.

11 "Therefore, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah. 12 I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become an object of cursing and horror, of condemnation and reproach. 13 I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem. 14 None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives."

15 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, 16 "We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine."

19 The women added, "When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?"

20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 "Did not the LORD remember and think about the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your fathers, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the LORD could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became an object of cursing and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the LORD and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see."

24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, "Hear the word of the LORD, all you people of Judah in Egypt. 25 This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, 'We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.'
"Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows! 26 But hear the word of the LORD, all Jews living in Egypt: 'I swear by my great name,' says the LORD, 'that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives." 27 For I am watching over them for harm, not for good; the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed. 28 Those who escape the sword and return to the land of Judah from Egypt will be very few. Then the whole remnant of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word will stand—mine or theirs.

29 " 'This will be the sign to you that I will punish you in this place,' declares the LORD, 'so that you will know that my threats of harm against you will surely stand.' 30 This is what the LORD says: 'I am going to hand Pharaoh Hophra king of Egypt over to his enemies who seek his life, just as I handed Zedekiah king of Judah over to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, the enemy who was seeking his life.' "

My Understanding: As I was recording this dream I got this strong sense that I was writing about Sarah Palin. She has her debate with Joe Biden tomorrow evening.

Palin Says She Represents Joe ‘Six-Pack’ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_el_pr/palin_joe_six_pack
Debate offers Palin, Biden high risks, big rewards
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081001/D93HCTAG0.html

I believe this dream is about Sarah Palin, symbolized by my DIL Faith, and for a second time the Lord is comparing her to the “Queen of Heaven” that the people, symbolized by my daughter, are worshiping. The public is fascinated with her, especially republican conservatives. V. 3 states that the people were burning incense to gods that their fathers never knew. Well, we never before had a female republican vice presidential candidate, so that is true that this is a ‘god’ we never knew.

I believe the Lord has been warning the people not to idolize her, but they are not listening, so God’s anger is going to be poured out. Men, women and children will be cut off from the land, just like my grandchildren were cut off from me in this dream. The scriptures state here that the kings and queens have not humbled themselves or shown reverence nor have they followed God’s laws. I believe this is referring to most of our government leaders.

God is determined to bring disaster on us because the people refuse to listen to God. They are determined to burn incense to the “Queen of Heaven.” And, because of this, disaster will come upon us when God brings his judgment. Then the remnant (those left) will know whose word will stand – theirs or God’s.